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The nighttime safari is not a "new" ride. No net gain. Harambe Marketplace is just a fancy nickname for a new quick service food court. While great to have another quick service option, this will not keep me in the park longer, but will just (potentially) replace another dining option. Again, aside from the two new attractions in Pandora, there is virtually nothing else of substance behind this 5-year, zillion dollar project, and of the two new rides, only one is going to be an E-ticket draw.
 
Funnily enough - I think AK is the park that needs the least. We currently spend two full days most trips at this park, or at least a day and a half. (Last time we had our 2nd day washed out.) If the park is open later, than I might only spend one (fuller) day there.

DHS is the severely lacking park in our family. If we spend 8 hours total in that park it's a lot.
 
As for me I will treat it as a full day park because for me there is enough to do.
i agree...the whole idea of why its called a half day park is because it closes at 6 or 7...and i get that people view it that way, in a sense i do too... i still say when the evening activities open up by 2017 the parks dynamics will changes dramatically
IMO of course
 
The nighttime safari is not a "new" ride. No net gain. Harambe Marketplace is just a fancy nickname for a new quick service food court. While great to have another quick service option, this will not keep me in the park longer, but will just (potentially) replace another dining option. Again, aside from the two new attractions in Pandora, there is virtually nothing else of substance behind this 5-year, zillion dollar project, and of the two new rides, only one is going to be an E-ticket draw.
everything i listed are things that are not available right now so they re all new...to me the nighttime safari will be a completely different experience at night

can you do me a favor, if you re commenting on something i wrote could you quote it or hit reply so i know for sure its to me
thanks
 
Back when Disney MGM opened it was a multi day park, our visit last year we scheduled 1.5 days and it was too much, luckily star wars weekends were going on so could blow extra time in character meets. Going back with the wife only in early Dec and we are thinkink 2.5 or 3 at MK, 2 E, 1 or 1.5 AK, then at most 1 for HS.
 
Funnily enough - I think AK is the park that needs the least. We currently spend two full days most trips at this park, or at least a day and a half. (Last time we had our 2nd day washed out.) If the park is open later, than I might only spend one (fuller) day there.

DHS is the severely lacking park in our family. If we spend 8 hours total in that park it's a lot.

I completely agree. I never understand when people call AK a "half-day" park. We love AK and always spend a full day there. If you just want to ride the Safari, EE, Kali (if it's not winter), and Dinosaur and then leave...sure 1/2 a day is it. But just because a few people may not want to take advantage of everything the park has to offer (such as the walking trails), doesn't make it a half-day park.
 
everything i listed are things that are not available right now so they re all new...to me the nighttime safari will be a completely different experience at night

can you do me a favor, if you re commenting on something i wrote could you quote it or hit reply so i know for sure its to me
thanks

Sorry - for some reason, my quoting feature was not working right. I had to close out and re-start a new browser section.

I think we're at odds because you're considering these "all new attractions" that we don't have available to us currently. I consider them to be extensions of existing things. If Thunder Mountain was previously only open until 6:00 pm, and suddenly become available until park close, I wouldn't consider it to be an "all new" attraction. I would just consider it "extended hours of operation". In a nutshell, that's all we are getting with the safari. Sure, it might be a better experience (there are a number of rides that I much prefer to ride in the dark vs daytime). But at the end of the day, it's not new, and at most, it will simply impact when people arrive at the park - not how long they decide to stay in the park. The same is true of Harambe Marketplace. While it may very well be a welcome addition to the AK dining options, it would simply replace one of the other dozen or so potential dining options within the park. I'm not going to stay longer and eat extra meals simply because a new dining option is being offered.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that any of these changes are "bad". Quite the contrary, actually, as I welcome everything that's currently being done at AK. I just don't see a net gain of 2 new attractions and a 20-minute night time show as being the "Renaissance" of Animal Kingdom. At the end of the day, when you get down to brass tacks, that's all that we are getting.
 
The nighttime safari is not a "new" ride. No net gain. Harambe Marketplace is just a fancy nickname for a new quick service food court. While great to have another quick service option, this will not keep me in the park longer, but will just (potentially) replace another dining option. Again, aside from the two new attractions in Pandora, there is virtually nothing else of substance behind this 5-year, zillion dollar project, and of the two new rides, only one is going to be an E-ticket draw.
A new table service restaurant is coming that will be attached to pizzafari. Also I believe a new table service is also coming in another location in discovery island.
 
A new table service restaurant is coming that will be attached to pizzafari. Also I believe a new table service is also coming in another location in discovery island.

Again, the additional dining options are all well and good, but they will not keep people in the park for longer periods of time. If you previously would eat 1 meal at AK, you're not going to eat 2-3 meals simply because a new dining option has opened. Rather, this would simply replace the dining option(s) that you previously used before. For that reason, again, I consider this to be "no net gain". I repeat, this is not a bad thing. It's just not what people are clamoring for.
 
Epcot was one of the greatest privately financed construction projects in history... And the first and some would argue the only thing of its kind...

Any talk of it purposefully stagnating or being marginalized shows a lack of respect/failure to acknowledge history by the management and the paying public.

In fact... If you want a brutal indictment of current or recent management - frame it as "Disney executives fail to identify the value of history"

I can think of nothing more scathing...cut to the bone.

It may be interesting to look at the history of the Montreal 1967 Expo, which was considered by imagineers to be a kind of prototype for Epcot.

It was a government project, but like Epcot it relied on ticket revenues and corporate/national sponsors. The first year was obviously the biggest year with the most sponsors and participating countries. They tried to keep it running year after year, but it inevitably it started to lose its "tapestry of nations" character as countries lost interest in keeping their pavilions open.

The US pavilion (a geodesic dome almost exactly like Spaceship Earth with static displays inside and bisected by a monorail) eventually became the centerpiece of a "flower and garden festival". I kid you not. A few of the other national pavilions were still open in 1976, for example the China pavilion was selling Mao's "little red book". The Canada pavilion IIRC kept on showing the same 360 circlevision movie for many years. Yes I know, plus ca change!

The equivalent of Innoventions was a set of pavilions called "Man and his World". They were allowed to get stale and were abandoned to become a kind of spooky sci-fi ghost town. (used as a set for the Paul Newman movie "Quintet" and then demolished)

Sports events started to be held on the property, for example a Grand Prix track was laid out and part of the park was excavated for a rowing and canoeing basin for the 1976 Olympics.

Finally of the original Showcase of Nations and Corporate Showcase areas of the park, just about the only thing left is a single pavilion that's been converted to a government casino. The only other thriving area is the amusement park called "La Ronde". It was operated for decades by the municipality but is now a 6 Flags park.

To get to the point ... I can see the same trends happening in Epcot that happened to the Expo 67 park. The drift away from sharing and learning about world culture and technology, and convergence toward (1) special festivals/sports events and (2) mindless amusement on thrill rides. There's no casino yet at Epcot but give it time ... I'm sure it will happen.

This drift away from original purpose may be partly due to the public losing interest in (pseudo) edjamacational amusements, but it's mostly the Disney company's lack of any philosophical vision of the long-term purpose of the park, plus a kind of laziness about understanding and developing its potential. People who visit Epcot are a huge and wealthy segment of the world. Why doesn't Disney try harder to sell the park to national and corporate entities, as the world's largest, wealthiest and most concentrated hive of potential customers?

At a techie convention you see every company in the world setting up spectacular booths and giving awesome presentations of their gear. And that's for maybe 100,000 visitors at most, over 1 week or less. How about a semi-permanent (but frequently updated) show space that has 10s of millions of people visiting every year? Ditto for national, state and provincial tourist agencies. Where are your potential customers, that you're not reaching any more with ads in the back of National Geographic? ('cause they don't read magazines any more) They're at Epcot. They didn't go to your country because although they're wealthy and adventurous, they're a bit shy about visiting your country because they're not sure what they can see, buy and eat there. So show them already! The more sizzling the presentation (boat rides etc.) and the nicer and cheaper the stuff in the shops and the more tantalizing the food ... the more tourist visits you're going to book.

If Disney execs continue taking the lazy path you'll see nothing but a cluster of fairly shallow, slightly-themed amusement rides, a very light dusting of pseudo-national flavors, and a lot of eating and drinking concentrated into "festivals". But no special glue to hold it together in the long term, namely a strong purpose of bringing people to the world and vice-versa ... just another place to party.
 
Again, the additional dining options are all well and good, but they will not keep people in the park for longer periods of time. If you previously would eat 1 meal at AK, you're not going to eat 2-3 meals simply because a new dining option has opened. Rather, this would simply replace the dining option(s) that you previously used before. For that reason, again, I consider this to be "no net gain". I repeat, this is not a bad thing. It's just not what people are clamoring for.
I understand I was just saying that more table service options are coming as well.
 
Again, the additional dining options are all well and good, but they will not keep people in the park for longer periods of time. If you previously would eat 1 meal at AK, you're not going to eat 2-3 meals simply because a new dining option has opened. Rather, this would simply replace the dining option(s) that you previously used before. For that reason, again, I consider this to be "no net gain". I repeat, this is not a bad thing. It's just not what people are clamoring for.

Respectfully disagree. TS dining options at AK are limited. While I like Tusker House OK, I don't like the price they charge, and Yak and Yeti is nothing to write home about. If they put in a TS restaurant that interested me, it might get me to stay longer. Right now we are more likely to want to go elsewhere for dinner. So, though we do typically spend two days at AK, we don't stay around for dinner either day.
 
Respectfully disagree. TS dining options at AK are limited. While I like Tusker House OK, I don't like the price they charge, and Yak and Yeti is nothing to write home about. If they put in a TS restaurant that interested me, it might get me to stay longer. Right now we are more likely to want to go elsewhere for dinner. So, though we do typically spend two days at AK, we don't stay around for dinner either day.
Don't forget about rainforest :confused3
 
Respectfully disagree. TS dining options at AK are limited. While I like Tusker House OK, I don't like the price they charge, and Yak and Yeti is nothing to write home about. If they put in a TS restaurant that interested me, it might get me to stay longer. Right now we are more likely to want to go elsewhere for dinner. So, though we do typically spend two days at AK, we don't stay around for dinner either day.

No argument that TS options are limited at AK, and again, for the third time, I am openly acknowledging that these are all positive additions to the park. But if you really believe that "lack of TS options" is the reason for the mass exodus of people that has existed at AK every day at 1:00 pm since the park opened in 1998, then I'm not sure what else to tell you.

People have to eat, and the more options they have, the better. But, restaurants don't bring people into the park - attractions do, period. And we're only getting two (2) additional ones after three years of planning and another four of construction. There's nothing to respectfully disagree with about that, as those are the facts.
 
Agree that people aren't leaving because of a lack of restaurants. People are leaving because there aren't enough rides. There's plenty to do and explore in DAK, but most people go there and expect rides (and shows) and there are limited rides and shows and they don't want to just look at animals so they leave.

A good nighttime show will keep people in the park. Look at Fantasmic! That park is much worse than AK, but they keep people there with a nighttime show.
 
Agree that people aren't leaving because of a lack of restaurants. People are leaving because there aren't enough rides. There's plenty to do and explore in DAK, but most people go there and expect rides (and shows) and there are limited rides and shows and they don't want to just look at animals so they leave.

A good nighttime show will keep people in the park. Look at Fantasmic! That park is much worse than AK, but they keep people there with a nighttime show.
While they lack in number of shows I think they have two of the best shows on Disney property. Also the animal excursions or treks may not be rides but kids love animals so they should go check those out as well.
 
While they lack in number of shows I think they have two of the best shows on Disney property. Also the animal excursions or treks may not be rides but kids love animals so they should go check those out as well.

rteetz - I'm not saying DAK isn't great. As I stated before, I LOVE DAK. And agree with what you say on the shows, FOLTK and FN are great.

But the typical theme park goer doesn't want to learn about animals or have to try and find them in the exhibits. They want rides, rides, rides and in your face entertainment. And that park fares poorly on that option - I would say even worse than DHS, there's really only one ride at DHS with repeat-ability (EE). Kali is too short, Dinosaur is too dark. Again, the average park-goer goes there and thinks "I didn't pay thousands of dollars to go to the zoo". This is why adding two QUALITY rides (they don't both have to be E-tickets, but good repeatable entertainment) and a nighttime show - along with more dining options - WILL draw people to stay longer. The nighttime options in particular...if they have a REASON to stay, they'll take the time to go on the trails and ride the train to Conversation Station and such.
 
rteetz - I'm not saying DAK isn't great. As I stated before, I LOVE DAK. And agree with what you say on the shows, FOLTK and FN are great.

But the typical theme park goer doesn't want to learn about animals or have to try and find them in the exhibits. They want rides, rides, rides and in your face entertainment. And that park fares poorly on that option - I would say even worse than DHS, there's really only one ride at DHS with repeat-ability (EE). Kali is too short, Dinosaur is too dark. Again, the average park-goer goes there and thinks "I didn't pay thousands of dollars to go to the zoo". This is why adding two QUALITY rides (they don't both have to be E-tickets, but good repeatable entertainment) and a nighttime show - along with more dining options - WILL draw people to stay longer. The nighttime options in particular...if they have a REASON to stay, they'll take the time to go on the trails and ride the train to Conversation Station and such.
I agree. That's why I think we will see the crowd stay later rather than leave earlier, so they arrive later after say a morning at another park or at the pool and go to AK for evening so they catch rivers of light. I find animal kingdom very overlooked and I wish it wasn't but it is what it is.
 
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