Where is tiering “rumored”? By the all the people making up scenarios on this thread? MK was never tiered with FP+. They effectively created new “tiers” by adding 2 ILL
Len saw the plans. He confirmed they had tiers, including MKWhere is tiering “rumored”? By the all the people making up scenarios on this thread? MK was never tiered with FP+. They effectively created new “tiers” by adding 2 ILL rides.
Not sure i follow this? We dont go to the parks until 4pm....This is exactly what stacking is.....We book SDD for 6pm at 7am and then stack other rides for later and just modify then to later times if they are times we dont like when we book
Agree......Its awesome........I would never pay for Genie+ if it had Tiers and you only got 1 Tier 1 ride and had to use all 3 before making another selectionWe do the same. Last week when it was packed we still had LL for sdd,tot,mmrr,tsm,mfsm,st. As well as ILL for rise. We also rode rise at the end of the night. The only ride we didn’t go on was alien saucer. We got to the park about 5, as well as had dinner, and watched the movie magic projection (waiting about half hour for it to start).
So stacking for us works perfectly, even when busy. We got to do everything at a leisurely pace too.
Agree 100%I was referring to the user who said that genie plus is not far inferior. Of course it is, but it is also much cheaper. you and only you can decide what is best for you, cost/benefit vs benefits regardless of cost. That what I was referring to .
Agree - even as someone who rope drops stacking really works well once you figure out the system.So stacking for us works perfectly, even when busy. We got to do everything at a leisurely pace too.
They've been inflating times for years even under FP+ and it's been well talked about. Sometimes it's more this ride or that ride. Sometimes it's not malice inflation but the way they are tracking how long it takes (they used to do the placards).Slightly off topic: We used standby lines several times in the past few days. The wait times were within +/- 5 minutes. The rumor that Disney greatly inflates wait times to sell Genie+ is not true. I agree they may increase wait time before park closure to discourage guests from lingering. Otherwise it's all good.
We usually don't use standby lines, but since the posted wait times have been very reasonable in the past few days, we decided to give them a try. We found the actual wait times to be similar to what were posted. Disney could have inflated the time to sell Genie+ if they wanted to.It's really a circular argument here but just because you say "it's all good" doesn't really make it true.
I will say from my experience that the posted times matching the actual wait times is very rare. TP Lines app is far more reliable (it’s, literally, never let me down) than MDE or the time posted at the ride. I may have purchased a lottery ticket if I had been in your position!We usually don't use standby lines, but since the posted wait times have been very reasonable in the past few days, we decided to give them a try. We found the actual wait times to be similar to what were posted. Disney could have inflated the time to sell Genie+ if they wanted to.
It is all good to us! Suspicious people who have the needs to "expose" Disney can continue to track the actual vs posted time.
Slightly off topic: We used standby lines several times in the past few days. The wait times were within +/- 5 minutes. The rumor that Disney greatly inflates wait times to sell Genie+ is not true. I agree they may increase wait time before park closure to discourage guests from lingering. Otherwise it's all good.
100% agree.....The posted times NEVER match the actual times......Just look at the Lines app right now and there's not one single ride that is the same as postedI will say from my experience that the posted times matching the actual wait times is very rare. TP Lines app is far more reliable (it’s, literally, never let me down) than MDE or the time posted at the ride. I may have purchased a lottery ticket if I had been in your position!
You would be amazed how much shorter the actual wait could be than posted if you use the stop watch app on your phone. There are times I think I am waiting 30 mins and its been 12 mins100% agree.....The posted times NEVER match the actual times......Just look at the Lines app right now and there's not one single ride that is the same as posted
This is real time, live actual data
Touring plans has the actual timed wait times with people in the line........Have you ever used Len's Lines App?You would be amazed how much shorter the actual wait could be than posted if you use the stop watch app on your phone. There are times I think I am waiting 30 mins and its been 12 mins
Since we can't actually quantitatively define what constitutes 'far inferior', we'll just agree that we have different views on the benefits and detriments of the 2 systems! I've used both over the years, and they both have pros and cons. And just to be accurate, EP doesn't include all rides, just most, so not ANY RIDE. And if people get the single-use EP, it means ANY TIME is not completely accurate either. No question, EP is simpler to understand and use.....it is far inferior because you need to be proactive with reservations, you might not be able to ride all rides you want, etc..
EP is way way better, because you can ride ANY RIDE, ANY TIME, WHATEVER time you want. however, it is way way more expensive than genie plus.
If you mean "genie plus might have a better cost/benefit, than I agree with you. However, service per service, not considering the cost, EP is way better, hands down.
Heres a great example of right now on the posted vs actual wait times (from people that are in line real time right now)You would be amazed how much shorter the actual wait could be than posted if you use the stop watch app on your phone. There are times I think I am waiting 30 mins and its been 12 mins
Since we can't actually quantitatively define what constitutes 'far inferior', we'll just agree that we have different views on the benefits and detriments of the 2 systems! I've used both over the years, and they both have pros and cons. And just to be accurate, EP doesn't include all rides, just most, so not ANY RIDE. And if people get the single-use EP, it means ANY TIME is not completely accurate either. No question, EP is simpler to understand and use.....
Pros and cons. And like I said, we have a like-dislike relationship with both!
And this is that 'Len's Lines App' you referenced earlier?Heres a great example of right now on the posted vs actual wait times (from people that are in line real time right now)
HM says 50 mins and it's only 12........Small World 45 mins and it's only 21...........
Posted times are wrong probably 99% of the time
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Correct.......Touring Plans Lines app designed by Len Testa....download it, its awesomeAnd this is that 'Len's Lines App' you referenced earlier?
I can not tell any longer how Disney approximates their wait times. What I'm looking at from your snapshot of the app seems to make more sense, if people are interacting with the app feeding info while waiting.