VWL Groupies & Lovers Thread (Special Collectors Edition 2.0) updated 21 June 2023

Kathy...safe travels and Godspeed on your journey. That's quite a road trip!

We have "traded in" our annual F&W trips, replacing them with early December trips. It sounds like they are working hard to keep F&W as a destination event. Sounds like some fun plans for you! :)

Thanks Granny! Should be right around 3400 miles by the time I get back home. :car:
 
I noticed the 30% discount being offered at a number of our frequent establishments. The caveat is you must dine before 6:30 or after 8:30, not a big deal, but something to note.
 
As a BWV owner, I have mixed feelings on the gondola. My question is...will the IG expand to allow more folks in sooner? When we walk the path and the boats approach we tend to quick step to the gates, knowing we will wait a lot longer if we don't. Now, with the gondolas running, will the capacity of boats and gondolas and foot traffic cause even more backup?

I am sooooo bummed about this. That awesome feeling of walking into Epcot through the peaceful "back door" will never be the same. I will say it's been more congested the last few times we've been there with the addition of the metal detector, but with the gondolas it is going to be bad.

I'm excited about some of the new coming to Disney, but how/why are there so many things at once??? Historically speaking they usually don't have so many large projects at once, or am I crazy? (Well I am crazy, but you know what I mean!)
 




I am sooooo bummed about this. That awesome feeling of walking into Epcot through the peaceful "back door" will never be the same. I will say it's been more congested the last few times we've been there with the addition of the metal detector, but with the gondolas it is going to be bad.

I'm excited about some of the new coming to Disney, but how/why are there so many things at once??? Historically speaking they usually don't have so many large projects at once, or am I crazy? (Well I am crazy, but you know what I mean!)

I think WDW is getting excited about being 50 years old!

I agree that the 50th anniversary is pushing a lot of the timing on these projects.

But I think that the projects themselves are part of a transformation of Walt Disney World to attracting a new generation of park guests. While there are still many of us who remember seeing Walt Disney on his weekly "Wonderful World of Color" show, the fact is that "nostalgia" window is closing for Disney. They simply must move into the long-term projects that we are seeing to keep their parks desirable for the next 50 years. And I do think they got a major prodding when Universal went into "Harry Potter" mode.

These changes to Disney parks are going to be somewhat painful for the older folks I fear. And for those who have been to WDW so many times. We will bemoan the loss of some of the old-time attractions and features. For a while we thought we were going to lose Tomorrowland Speedway to the new Tron ride, but fortunately that will be using currently unused space. We will have gondolas instead of monorail expansions. But all in all, Disney has to be thinking....what do we want to look like in the year 2040, etc. It will be interesting, and in some cases, kind of sad.
 
I agree that the 50th anniversary is pushing a lot of the timing on these projects.

But I think that the projects themselves are part of a transformation of Walt Disney World to attracting a new generation of park guests. While there are still many of us who remember seeing Walt Disney on his weekly "Wonderful World of Color" show, the fact is that "nostalgia" window is closing for Disney. They simply must move into the long-term projects that we are seeing to keep their parks desirable for the next 50 years. And I do think they got a major prodding when Universal went into "Harry Potter" mode.

These changes to Disney parks are going to be somewhat painful for the older folks I fear. And for those who have been to WDW so many times. We will bemoan the loss of some of the old-time attractions and features. For a while we thought we were going to lose Tomorrowland Speedway to the new Tron ride, but fortunately that will be using currently unused space. We will have gondolas instead of monorail expansions. But all in all, Disney has to be thinking....what do we want to look like in the year 2040, etc. It will be interesting, and in some cases, kind of sad.
I believe you've nailed it, Tom. I know I'm old school, and I'm okay with some of the recent changes. I want Disney to be all things at once--beholding to the past that launched the Mouse into mainstream while embracing what lies ahead. I just don't like how they're going about it. What's tough to realize is that, yes, Disney is looking at the next 30+ years. If it alienates those who remember the WoC on TV, they're obviously willing to take that risk to draw in the crowd that now has an attention span of about two minutes (no offense to the upcoming generations--it's just the nature of the social media beast). They're building for future park patrons, not current ones who've been around since the beginning. For me, I will never quite view Disney the same after the past few years--tossing in the towel on making Epcot truly a cultural learning experience; cutting corners on new builds; going mainstream bland on theming; dumbing down dining. Still, I know Luv and I will keep coming back just to feel connected to our past history with Disney, in general, and WL, in particular. I suspect in 50 years, the current generation of kids will be having the same angst with new changes Disney makes in a nod to their 100th anniversary: "What do you mean the Frozen ride is being replaced!? It's a classic!!"
 
I believe you've nailed it, Tom. I know I'm old school, and I'm okay with some of the recent changes. I want Disney to be all things at once--beholding to the past that launched the Mouse into mainstream while embracing what lies ahead. I just don't like how they're going about it. What's tough to realize is that, yes, Disney is looking at the next 30+ years. If it alienates those who remember the WoC on TV, they're obviously willing to take that risk to draw in the crowd that now has an attention span of about two minutes (no offense to the upcoming generations--it's just the nature of the social media beast). They're building for future park patrons, not current ones who've been around since the beginning. For me, I will never quite view Disney the same after the past few years--tossing in the towel on making Epcot truly a cultural learning experience; cutting corners on new builds; going mainstream bland on theming; dumbing down dining. Still, I know Luv and I will keep coming back just to feel connected to our past history with Disney, in general, and WL, in particular. I suspect in 50 years, the current generation of kids will be having the same angst with new changes Disney makes in a nod to their 100th anniversary: "What do you mean the Frozen ride is being replaced!? It's a classic!!"

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Sleepy...you make so many great points. Including the short attention span of our culture.

I can see Disney thinking of how to "re-skin" attractions to bring in the latest intellectual properties. And this may become more the norm where we see some attractions switching over its theme from time time time (like Tower of Terror to GotG).

I agree that we will continue to go to WDW and enjoy it. I think Disney Springs was a brilliant upgrade for those who are looking for non-park experiences and reducing their park commando time.

And your last line almost made me spit out my soda that I was drinking! :lmao:
 
I am sooooo bummed about this. That awesome feeling of walking into Epcot through the peaceful "back door" will never be the same. I will say it's been more congested the last few times we've been there with the addition of the metal detector, but with the gondolas it is going to be bad.

Disney has been pulling the security screening stations further and further out from the entry turnstiles. I'll bet the drop off point for the gondolas will be off to the left as we approach IG from the resorts and they will have their own security at that point, if not prior to boarding at the resorts themselves.

I'm excited about some of the new coming to Disney, but how/why are there so many things at once??? Historically speaking they usually don't have so many large projects at once, or am I crazy? (Well I am crazy, but you know what I mean!)
I think WDW is getting excited about being 50 years old!
And 45 years old too as evidence by the limited edition Magicband 2.
Count me in on the 50th parties! Been planning out my points for 2021 for over a year now. Concept is similar to what I'm doing this year with a 2br and only myself booked into it. As we get closer to the trip more and more family members are joining in. :)
 
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I was wondering where they were dropping folks off. That makes sense that area where Merry Mixer used to take place.

Granny and sleepy
Y'all know me, I am a history nerd, love the history and the classics of Disney. But I have to say I am excited to see a few o the new things coming down the pike. Tron and Ratatouille in particular. I have seen Youtube videos of both current rides and they both look cool. Now with that said, it does concern me that the classics will continue to take a back seat and eventually be hedged out.
 
I am sooooo bummed about this. That awesome feeling of walking into Epcot through the peaceful "back door" will never be the same. . . . . . .

DiznyDi & I remember when those covered areas (now grass) just outside of the IG were bus drop offs/pick-up points. But even then, the traffic was pretty low; most wanted to enter Epcot from the front.

Pool Hopping - After reading a number of comments & concerns about Pool Hopping, I can't help but say I'm not that worried about those that show up and USE the seating; it is the ones that leave their stuff first thing in the morning and walk away, so they can sit when they return mid afternoon. It is so rude and self centered. Once I watched a lady at The Lodge place colored towels and an empty beach bag on several lounges and walk away. After she had gone, I collected the towels and bag and set them aside on a large rock, as people were beginning the 'morning flood" to pool side. After a wonderful Mickey Waffle breakfast at RF, as we walked back through the pool area, the items were once again spread out over four lounges and the bag was reserving a table. Yeah, I couldn't just let it go, as DiznyDi advised; I looked around the pool area, and not seeing the guest anywhere, I re-collected them and set them on the rock. Yup, didn't she come around the corner, obviously heading for the boats, and find her items sitting on the rock. Again she spread them around and left. With DiznyDi's advice :-)hyper2: ) I let them be, and settled back into that second class group that tries to follow the rules.

I know no one needed to read that, but it felt good typing it. Sorry. :charac2:
 
DiznyDi & I remember when those covered areas (now grass) just outside of the IG were bus drop offs/pick-up points. But even then, the traffic was pretty low; most wanted to enter Epcot from the front.

Pool Hopping - After reading a number of comments & concerns about Pool Hopping, I can't help but say I'm not that worried about those that show up and USE the seating; it is the ones that leave their stuff first thing in the morning and walk away, so they can sit when they return mid afternoon. It is so rude and self centered. Once I watched a lady at The Lodge place colored towels and an empty beach bag on several lounges and walk away. After she had gone, I collected the towels and bag and set them aside on a large rock, as people were beginning the 'morning flood" to pool side. After a wonderful Mickey Waffle breakfast at RF, as we walked back through the pool area, the items were once again spread out over four lounges and the bag was reserving a table. Yeah, I couldn't just let it go, as DiznyDi advised; I looked around the pool area, and not seeing the guest anywhere, I re-collected them and set them on the rock. Yup, didn't she come around the corner, obviously heading for the boats, and find her items sitting on the rock. Again she spread them around and left. With DiznyDi's advice :-)hyper2: ) I let them be, and settled back into that second class group that tries to follow the rules.

I know no one needed to read that, but it felt good typing it. Sorry. :charac2:
 
Good morning groupies! I was wondering if any of you have ever been to Glacier National Park. We are traveling by Amtrak to Whitefish, Montana in two weeks and will have 3 full days to enjoy and just wondered if anyone has any "Don't miss this" suggestions...
 
DiznyDi & I remember when those covered areas (now grass) just outside of the IG were bus drop offs/pick-up points. But even then, the traffic was pretty low; most wanted to enter Epcot from the front.

Pool Hopping - After reading a number of comments & concerns about Pool Hopping, I can't help but say I'm not that worried about those that show up and USE the seating; it is the ones that leave their stuff first thing in the morning and walk away, so they can sit when they return mid afternoon. It is so rude and self centered. Once I watched a lady at The Lodge place colored towels and an empty beach bag on several lounges and walk away. After she had gone, I collected the towels and bag and set them aside on a large rock, as people were beginning the 'morning flood" to pool side. After a wonderful Mickey Waffle breakfast at RF, as we walked back through the pool area, the items were once again spread out over four lounges and the bag was reserving a table. Yeah, I couldn't just let it go, as DiznyDi advised; I looked around the pool area, and not seeing the guest anywhere, I re-collected them and set them on the rock. Yup, didn't she come around the corner, obviously heading for the boats, and find her items sitting on the rock. Again she spread them around and left. With DiznyDi's advice :-)hyper2: ) I let them be, and settled back into that second class group that tries to follow the rules.

I know no one needed to read that, but it felt good typing it. Sorry. :charac2:

OK, if there was a "love" button I would have selected it! I normally will not move the towels but I do tend to get annoyed nonetheless.

With regard to the IG, once the gondolas are up and running I'm fairly certain people are going to discover just how wonderful entering the park there is so much nicer. Or maybe they will all be dumb!:tiptoe::yay:
 
Disney has been pulling the security screening stations further and further out from the entry turnstiles. I'll bet the drop off point for the gondolas will be off to the left as we approach IG from the resorts and they will have their own security at that point, if not prior to boarding at the resorts themselves.

I believe that is exactly where the plans show the final station to be twinklebug. I recall that area being the tram drop off that ran people back and forth to the Swan/Dolphin before Boardwalk and BC were built. You could take the tram or the boats at that time.

It will be a change to that whole area though just in lines of site with having the gondolas overhead - a very different feel for the entire area. I know they've talked about rejuvenating Epcot for years - never thought it would include something like this though!

And the 50th is almost certainly the driver behind all of these things - it's a bit crazy after so many years of little to nothing - just the little MK fantasyland revamp really in what - a decade or so? I think WDW management must have looked at the calendar and started calculating just how little time they have left to take advantage of the 50th anniversary marketing machine.
 

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